Yes, now I'm back running a remap without axis changes, the SOI figures stick to the maps. Only variation is on a cold start, but this is understandable, there is another SOI map for cold starts that I've found that I think its using.

ross2482 wrote:Yes, now I'm back running a remap without axis changes, the SOI figures stick to the maps. Only variation is on a cold start, but this is understandable, there is another SOI map for cold starts that I've found that I think its using.

you have a problem with cold start?

have you tried to change the starting map?

I do not understand ...........
You're working with the SOI, or cold start?
sorry my English is poor.

I think it is start map.

Glapsson, no issues with cold start, all is good now, I was replying to Mr Whippys post about SOI following the maps.

Mr Whippy wrote:So what is 2D inverse setting in WinOLS?

3D maps are basically rows and columns, defined by linear strips of data (the spikes in 2d for instance) for each row or column, and the 2D or 2D inverse setting is basically saying if those strips are building up in column or in row?

Thus an 8x16 map could be either 8 rows of IQ vs 16 of rail pressure for example, but in 2D inverse it would be 8 rows of rail pressure vs 16 rows of IQ?


Just trying to get my head totally clear before thinking more.

Dave

Try it for yourself and see what it does... ;-)
Rail pressure on my file is 2D inverse and confirmed this with a data logging.
In WinOLS, open the map, right-click and select Properties. In the dropdown, select 2D Inverse (You probably have Two Dimensional selected at the moment). Once the data has changed, you may want to recheck your axis (X=RPM, Y=IQ).

As I said, I only found this out by datalogging, I initially had the rail pressure map and SOI maps not set to 2D inverse.

If you use TunerPro to make changes like I do, you need to set the "Major Order" to column in the table properties.

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PS, are you generally finding that across that characteristic SOI map and pilot SOI map that PP readout values trace those maps values quite accurately?

I suppose it's hard to tell due to the sampling rate being quite low...

Dave [/quote]

i used a snapon solus pro to do data log and the sample rate is good if you log a few pids
look at the 5th post on page 4 i have written down what happens to the map when you select 2d inverse
and logs confirm correct

redeye wrote:

Mr Whippy wrote:

PS, are you generally finding that across that characteristic SOI map and pilot SOI map that PP readout values trace those maps values quite accurately?

I suppose it's hard to tell due to the sampling rate being quite low...

Dave

i used a snapon solus pro to do data log and the sample rate is good if you log a few pids
look at the 5th post on page 4 i have written down what happens to the map when you select 2d inverse
and logs confirm correct

I've always had that set the right way it seems, it just looked wrong intuitively speaking, having it the other way.

I set up my XDF files years back so can't remember often what I set how, and if I copy to a new software I just duplicate the XDF and edit the addresses and re-check those etc.



I wonder if there is any sensible way to check for inverse plotting, maybe something in the binary like signed bytes?

I'm using the WinOLS demo here (fairly recent one), and I swear I was toggling 2D inverse on and off on a map and it made no difference. Ie, the same shapes in parts of the map were being applied along the same set of values, say a bump mid way along the rpm range, was still a bump mid way along the rpm range.
Starting to wonder if my WinOLS demo has a bug or something because in TunerPro it works exactly as expected (and how I described it), was just checking it was the same thing in WinOLS or if the WinOLS version was different?!

Not a big fan of WinOLS really. Feels very 1990's. Clearly very powerful and has nice touches but some UI features really need updating!

ross2482 wrote:

Mr Whippy wrote:So what is 2D inverse setting in WinOLS?

3D maps are basically rows and columns, defined by linear strips of data (the spikes in 2d for instance) for each row or column, and the 2D or 2D inverse setting is basically saying if those strips are building up in column or in row?

Thus an 8x16 map could be either 8 rows of IQ vs 16 of rail pressure for example, but in 2D inverse it would be 8 rows of rail pressure vs 16 rows of IQ?


Just trying to get my head totally clear before thinking more.

Dave

Try it for yourself and see what it does... ;-)
Rail pressure on my file is 2D inverse and confirmed this with a data logging.
In WinOLS, open the map, right-click and select Properties. In the dropdown, select 2D Inverse (You probably have Two Dimensional selected at the moment). Once the data has changed, you may want to recheck your axis (X=RPM, Y=IQ).

As I said, I only found this out by datalogging, I initially had the rail pressure map and SOI maps not set to 2D inverse.

If you use TunerPro to make changes like I do, you need to set the "Major Order" to column in the table properties.

Yeah I've been using TunerPro for ages.

Hmmm, all my maps that need to be are set to column... indeed most of my files are all in column.

Are we sure column is 'inverse'

My smoke map is in column, as is the SOI map, and rail pressure map.


Just loaded my demo of WinOLS (2.14 from March 2012), and 2D inverse vs 2D makes no difference at all.


TunerPro does work as expected though. Maybe people with WinOLS demo are struggling if it's not working as expected!?


Dave

I changed my program and this is logs.
What do you think?

That looks good - Have you managed to get PP2000 do dump this directly to a spreadsheet automatically? :)

Just one little oddity - Your pre-injection seems to cutoff sooner than mine, PP2000 logs pre-injection up to about 3200rpm, the last entry in yours is 2956 - Probably just the way the log is created though.

ross2482 wrote:That looks good - Have you managed to get PP2000 do dump this directly to a spreadsheet automatically? :)

Just one little oddity - Your pre-injection seems to cutoff sooner than mine, PP2000 logs pre-injection up to about 3200rpm, the last entry in yours is 2956 - Probably just the way the log is created though.

I have written instructions on how to perform the logs PP2000.
And instructions on how to measure power.
But Polish.
there's a lot of pictures, and I think that is understandable

hello, it is realy a very interesting comment, sory for my bad english, i am french and i try to improve my level :), i have done some log with PPS2000, and i saw that my max IQ (85 mm3) don't pass on the first two speed gearbox (1 and 2), IQ is limited at 64mm3.I suppose there is a map limiter for the first Speed ? i am right ? were is this mapp located ? thank you in advance for your answer :angel: