PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Question

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PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Question

Postby windy1603 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:08 pm

I have identified most of the relevant maps for my 2.0 HDI 163 using the 407 Damos as a reference. i am confused about the 6 mapped listed as Inverted map of fuel mass flow. The x-axis is RPM, Y Axis mg/str and Z is Nm.

Am I right in assuming this is used as a torque to IQ lookup table. If so would the remap file i have accually reduce IQ as the torque figure has been increased on the mapped file or am i looking at in the wrong way.
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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby nerdyoz » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:37 pm

Yes, I would assume(not 100% sure duh! :crazy: ) increasing the nm figure i.e with 68mg/str @ 3250rpm@372nm to 416nm would lower the actual nm produced where as if changed to 68 mg/str@350nm@3250rpm would have it injecting 68mg/str to produce the requested 350nm when in fact it actually is producing 372nm??

But isn’t the injection limited to 68mg/str anyway @1886DE ‘Main fuel demand max value’ According to damos? -So no matter what you may want it will not inject more than 68mg/str for approx. 372nm?

Better to just try increase 1886DE to 79mg/str(Duration map max 80mg/str) which in theory will give you the 417nm@3250rpm when requested in your max nm map. also damos lists it as 1mg/str to 5.5nm? so 68mg/str approx 374nm@3250rpm?

What max boost do you run- I set mine to max 2610 mbar@3250rpm to about 2490mbar @4000rpm for the 4 main maps which gives about 162g/s maf @4000-4250rpm or about 1150mg/str(damn dpf)

But I found by ’cheating’(blasphemy :shh: ) the injection duration up by 9-10%@68mg/str giving around 74mg/str @3250rpm for 410nm rather than changing the nm to iq map, but try changing 1886DE to 79mg/str, unless you have already?

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby windy1603 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:08 pm

Thanks for the info I will have a look in more detail -

On mine std max boost at 3250 is 2.54 dropping to 2.44 at 4250 on the standard map and the file have has that upped to 2.78 dropping to 2.62. Calibration/Injection maps appear standard

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby windy1603 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:39 pm

Just checked the Main fuel demand max value in the mapped file and it been changed to 99 I assume to use the whole of the fuel map

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby nerdyoz » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:09 am

that is quite high boost, ok for brief times maybe.I had set it to 2750mbar before to experiment but found when logging a 3rd gear pull for example the boost could only sustain at around 2620mbar max anyway and about 2500@4000rpm so requesting more made no difference.Only on overboost for a few seconds it pulls around 2800mbar maybe.

strange why it was set to 99mg/str as injectors only go to 80mg/str but makes sure to use the full 80mg i suppose, i have run 78 mg/str many times for fun and certainly gives a strong pull at 4250rpm but DPF soots too quickly

if you can pull a high MAF g/s at 4250rpm say 170g/s you could burn more fuel cleanly but mine averages around 158-162g/s so limits the fuel i can burn cleanly so i limit it at 380nm@4000rpm--you still have the DPF?

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby windy1603 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:28 pm

Still looking at the original and mapped and logging changes.

Came across a changed map in the file and cross ref against DAMOS is a little vague listed as Ton Target Value (0x2EDE3C in your file).

It appears to be a target value for max injection duration RPM/Rail Pressure. Increasing the time at higher rail/rpm values the higher than 68mg+ IQ requests are more achievable with out tweaking duration maps. I need a good run to fully log and cross ref values.

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby nerdyoz » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:40 pm

interesting have not come across any modified dcm 3.5 maps showing changes to that before? -not really sure how the 'Time on' target map relates or works? But i think the 'Ton' it is converted from the 'angle on' degree relative to TDC --Ton indicating when injection starts and Toff injection stops? .--added to the minimum drive pulse?
but the 'Ton' target map figures changed were they increased or decreased on the modified map? so very curious to see your results!!

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby windy1603 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:57 am

In the tuned file from 550 bar upwards the figures have been increased by between 240% tailing off to 80% at 2000 bar

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby windy1603 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:19 pm

And a new Max IQ by RPM map at 0x2EDD0C not in your map list

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Re: PSA 2.0 HDI 163 DCM 3.5 Inverted Map of Fuel Flow Questi

Postby nerdyoz » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:28 pm

yes i just noticed that one too near the Ton target map called Maximal l1_qt value next to max post and pilot qt values interesting as between 2000-3500rpm it's limited might try to even it out and log? as 240% on Ton target whew!!

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