Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

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Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby awpe » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:15 pm

Hello,

I'm working with ECU for my VW Touareg 5.0 V10 tdi.

I have successfully defined and already tuned and tested next maps SVBL, EGR, Boost limited by RPM and engine temperature, Boost by RPM and injected quantity, Torque by engine speed and atmospheric pressure, injection duration(several maps), diagnostic (VCDS) messages maps (to remove limit for boost or other value sended over diagnostic protocol), drivers wish maps for each of gearbox gears(6 + reverse), single value torque limiter, linearization of MAP(pressure) sensor voltage to actual pressure, gearbox gear select hysteresis.

However there are 4 maps that I'm uncertain in what they mean what are the axes and what is the scale/offset. They only partially look like the ones from other fully described projects or manuals:

EDDD4 (18x16) - is it requested torque and rpm to injection quantity map? If it is why map have inj.q. values like ~87mg/str while I've never seen more then 56mg/str in VCDS logs during max load on stock?
ED5DE (13x16) - is it injection quantity limited by MAF(airflow) and RPM?
F8184 (16x13) - is it N75(turbo actuator) setpoint from RPM and injection quantity?
F9966 (16x10) - is it N75(turbo actuator) absolute maximum setpoint value for given RPM and injection quantity to protect mechanical parts?

And there is several maps that I can not find at all they are
1. start of injection map or group of maps.
2. lambda correction map (when engine corrects air to fuel ratio based on lambda sensor feedback).
3. MAF(airflow) sensor linearization map.

Please help.
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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby awpe » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:31 pm

What are those maps for BTW:
E27E0 - ?
ED1F4 (13x16) - ?
FB372 (16x16) -?
FB5F8 (16x16) - ?
EE71A (10x10) - ?

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby Blitsvis » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:45 am

This is a really easy eacy to tune, looks like you want to learn so here is the maps you will need.

Address Name Size
943242 Map Linearization 1x2
919416 Drivers Wish 8x16
919996 Drivers Wish 8x16
920576 Drivers Wish 8x16
921156 Drivers Wish 8x16
921736 Drivers Wish 8x16
922316 Drivers Wish 8x16
922896 Drivers Wish 8x16
927236 Boost Correction by Temp 10x16
929792 Egr 13x16
934708 Egr Hyst 1 20x1
934872 Egr Hyst 2 20x1
965482 Torque Limiter 23x4
966222 Overheating Protection (Temp) 6x5
966816 Overheating Protection (Speed) 10x6
971252 Lambda 13x16
971872 Boost Correction by Temp 10x16
972254 Smoke Limiter (Maf) 13x16
972786 Smoke Limiter (Map) 10x16
974292 Nm to Iq 18x16
976666 Torque Limiter (Speed) 10x10
976900 Gear Torque Limiter (1st Gear) 15x1
976962 Gear Torque Limiter (2nd Gear) 15x1
977024 Gear Torque Limiter (3rd Gear) 15x1
977086 Gear Torque Limiter (4th Gear) 15x1
977148 Gear Torque Limiter (5th Gear) 15x1
977210 Gear Torque Limiter (6th Gear) 15x1
977272 Gear Torque Limiter (Reverse Gear) 15x1
986440 Soi Limiter 11x14
979474 Soi 00 14x16
979922 Soi 01 14x16
980370 Soi 02 14x16
980818 Soi 03 14x16
981266 Soi 04 14x16
981714 Soi 05 14x16
982162 Soi 06 14x16
982610 Soi 07 14x16
983058 Soi 08 14x16
983506 Soi 09 14x16
984040 Soi Selector 10x1
1006578 Fuel Volume Correction 8x9
1006842 Expected Fuel Temp 8x8
1007004 Svrl 1x1
1007020 Duration Selector 1x6
1007076 Duration 00 10x10
1007348 Duration 01 15x19
1007990 Duration 02 15x19
1008632 Duration 03 15x19
1009274 Duration 04 15x19
1009886 Duration 05 9x10
1016196 N75 Duty Cycle 13x16
1019772 Requested Boost 10x16
1020136 Boost Limiter 9x11
1020468 Svbl 1x1
1022310 N75 Duty Cycle 10x16
1028978 Inverse Drivers Wish 16x16
1029624 Inverse Drivers Wish 16x16
1031480 Start Torque 1 9x8
1031702 Start Torque 2 9x8

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby awpe » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:52 pm

MAN, you rock! :clap:

It seems I can not rely much on winols for finding maps for me automatically...

Could you please tell what are the differences between this map pairs?

1016196 N75 Duty Cycle 13x16
and
1022310 N75 Duty Cycle 10x16

1028978 Inverse Drivers Wish 16x16
and
1029624 Inverse Drivers Wish 16x16

And what is map at 927712 for?

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby Blitsvis » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:21 pm

awpe wrote:MAN, you rock! :clap:

It seems I can not rely much on winols for finding maps for me automatically...

Could you please tell what are the differences between this map pairs?

1016196 N75 Duty Cycle 13x16
and
1022310 N75 Duty Cycle 10x16

1028978 Inverse Drivers Wish 16x16
and
1029624 Inverse Drivers Wish 16x16

And what is map at 927712 for?


dont worry about the N75 duty cycle for now, you will not need to change it untill you run logs. you will not adjust the inverse drivers wish maps (Cruise Control)

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby awpe » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:41 pm

Thank you! So inverse drivers wish are for cruise control that is of no interest. I'm just curious why there is 2 N75 map, what is the purpose of second one?

Also what are the units/factor for Overheating Protection maps (temp/speed)?

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby Blitsvis » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:39 am

awpe wrote:Thank you! So inverse drivers wish are for cruise control that is of no interest. I'm just curious why there is 2 N75 map, what is the purpose of second one?

Also what are the units/factor for Overheating Protection maps (temp/speed)?


I have a different factor that actually makes better sense for me 0.012207.

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby awpe » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:31 pm

Thanks!

Could you please help with map 927712 I believe it has to do something with injection quantity, do you know what is it for?

I see MAP(pressure) linearization map, but what with MAF(airflow) linearization, could you please point me to this map if it exists?

I also can not determine where the switch for MAF to MAP injection quantity regulation is located, is it possible to switch fuel injection regulation from MAF(972254) to solely MAP(972786) on this ecu?

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby almetr » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:10 pm

awpe wrote:Thank you! So inverse drivers wish are for cruise control that is of no interest. I'm just curious why there is 2 N75 map, what is the purpose of second ?


the second card limits the upper position of the N-75 during the operation of the algorithm for maintaining a given pressure. Nearby, the next map is a limits from below. Therefore, we have three cards, the base and two with limits where the N-75 walks. I myself am a newbie, but I understand that there must be a PID regulator of boost values. My WinOLS does not want to work with DAMOS files, so it is very difficult for me to find the PID coefficients for setting them to 0, so that only the base card works.

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Re: Help to define vw touareg 5.0 v10 tdi edc16 maps

Postby almetr » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:00 pm

awpe wrote: but what with MAF(airflow) linearization, could you please point me to this map if it exists?

E198E MAF1
E20BA MAF2
I don’t know if there are two MAFs under the hood, but in the file I found two linearizations of the MAFs. But my friend, on T5, in this area of the file has one MAF linearization/

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